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Monday, 1 July 2013

从朱玉叶案件了解我国的刑法体系

从朱玉叶案件了解我国的刑法体系

洪伟翔

朱玉叶案件的唯一凶嫌无罪释放,引起社会的一片哗然,更引起普罗大众不分你我的一片质疑及谩骂之声。只要是人,相信都会和大家一样,感到非常愤怒及失望,甚至会把这股愤怒和失望移驾到审判的法官及检控单位身上,在心底先是认定做了手脚,才会做出这样的判决。但若是各位平心静气的想一想,其实许多的质疑和愤怒,都出自于对法律的认知不足或不了解。因此,在《当今大马》的要求之下,逐写下了这一篇文章,希望可以帮大家厘清一些事实。

首先说明一下整个刑事案件的调查-提控程序。在我国的法律体系当中,刑事案件(强奸、杀人、打劫、偷东西等等都属于刑事案件)并不由受害者提出诉讼。受害者或其家人的参与仅止于报案及协助调查。而警方在接受报案之后,将会委派调查官(Investigating Officer,也就是俗称的IO)进行调查。在调查结果出炉后,调查官将会把调查报告呈交于总检察署(Attorney General Chambers,AG),并由总检察署全权决定提告与否,包涵使用哪一条条文、哪一种罪状、何种策略来进行提告。

花了不少篇幅来解释这检控程序,正因为有其必要性。许多的大众误解,就是源于对以上程序的不了解。只要了解了以上程序之后,很自然的就可以看到,许多网民/大众的疑问,其实根本不成疑问、站不住脚。

比如,筹钱给朱家打官司(大众的疑问包括请不起好律师提告、没钱上诉等)。首先,如上所述,提控方为总检察署,因此朱家是一分钱也不需要出的,当然也无权指定由谁来代表朱家。即便是接下来因对判决不服的上诉费用,朱家也绝对不需要付出任何一分钱。此即为刑事案件与民事案件的最大差别。所以网络上一片为朱家筹款打官司的呼吁,其实是没有任何理由及依据的(当然,筹款设立朱玉叶基金或为提升大众醒觉等等自不在本文的讨论范围内)。

当然,朱家可通过律师公会寻求法律援助或聘请属意的律师做为旁听律师。但大家必须了解到,旁听律师充其量只是一个旁观者,所以并没有权力来决定控方的审讯策略、控状及盘问嫌犯及证人等等。旁听律师至多只能够提出意见于总检察署,而决定接纳意见与否的权力,完完全全掌握在总检察署的手中。

再来,呼吁朱家马上上诉的呼声。上诉与否,朱家是没有任何置喙的余地的。总检察署有绝对的权力来决定提控、上诉、撤案的权力。没有任何一方,包括首相、大法官有权对这总检察署的特有权力进行干预(至少法律上是)。正如警方的调查权力,他方也不能随便干预一般(总检察署至多可退回调查报告,要求重查),这正是民主体制下,权力分隔以达致互相制衡的体现。

好了,说了那么多终于可以进入正题了。朱玉叶的在如此的情况之下枉死,绝对是一件人神共愤、天理不容的事情。因此,在首要也是唯一的嫌疑犯在法庭被宣判无罪释放,甚至连自辩的程序都不需要进入的情况之下就审结案件(即是控方根本连最基本的表面罪名确定都做不到),自然是一件让大众感到非常愤怒、非常痛心的一件事情。

但愤怒归愤怒,还是必须要回到事情的根本,到底是哪一方面出了问题,导致这一天怒人怨的案件,竟然可以如此简单的就让嫌疑人脱罪。

写到这里,又必须掉一下书袋,解说一下刑事案件在法庭上审理的准则。我国的法律体制承袭自英国,自然也承袭了其重视及保护人权的一面。因此,刑事案件的办案/审讯理念之中,最高的原则就是-“宁縱勿枉”。

简单地说,就是宁可放过100个坏人,也绝对不要抓錯一個好人的意思。所以,要在刑事案中将嫌疑犯定罪,控方的责任是非常重大的。控方在庭上必須證明案件是由疑犯所做,这一证明必须在完全沒有“任何合理疑點”(beyond reasonable doubt)的情况下才可成立,如此才可将嫌犯定罪。

而相对来说,辩方的责任就要轻上许多。辩方只要挑起任何合理的疑點,只要让法官有一丝丝的怀疑此案并不是由如今被控的嫌犯所做,即便其他大量的确凿证据,嫌犯依旧會被無罪釋放。正因为如此,控方在决定用何种条文来提控嫌犯的时候,就必须慎重的考虑手上现有的证据,以确保可以成功的将犯人入罪。

而从这里以可以看到。警方的搜證/调查工作也必须齐全完善,若是证物或程序上可被挑起任何疑点,罪名就非常地难以确立了。当然,越重的罪责举证责任也越重,若是殺人罪,凶器、動機、屍體的傷痕、医药报告的处理程序等等都必須吻合及指向被告,若任何一点出错或互相连接不上,嫌犯就可获得疑点利益,并因此而脱罪。(当然,实际在法庭上的举证、论证复杂得多,不是三言两语就可以说完。这里只是简略的的分享一下。)

可能以上的解说已让大家看得头晕脑胀。为了让大家更简易的了解,在此举个例子,在贩毒案件中,若是控方(总检察署)的控状为拥有超过500公克的海洛因,但在法庭之上,辩方成功的证明经化验后该海洛因其实只有400公克,这疑点利益即可归于辩方使其脱罪(当然实际上若发生这样的事情,检控方可在审讯中提出修改控状,把控状改为400公克,法官通常都会允准。这只是方便了解的举例。)再举例,若是在杀人案件中,凶器上有第二个人的指纹,那这疑点利益,自然也就归于被告了!

说到这里,可能会有一些读者大喊,这不是太不公平了吗?要那么困难才能将作奸犯科之人入罪,那不是在鼓励大家都去抢劫强奸吗?是的,从这样的角度来看,确实是非常之不公平,也确实有很多惯犯就因为这“宁縱勿枉”的原则而依然逍遥于法网之外。但各位请平心静气的想一想,若是换个“宁枉勿縱”的体制,那不是会造成更大的不公不义吗?简简单单就可将人入罪,那可会造成多少的冤狱啊!既然你指责某个人犯下了罪状,那就必须要彻底的证明真是他所干下的不是合理至极吗?!

(可能有些怒上心头的人会说:“若是你的家人是受害者,而罪犯就因这一体制而被无罪释放,你就不会这样认为了!”这样的说辞,网上随处可见。而我的回应是,若是各位的家人,因为一件根本没有做过的事情,而被判坐牢、打鞭、死刑,大好人生无端端就被断送掉,想必大家就可以清楚看到这一制度的好处了!)

“宁縱勿枉”这一原则,或许有其不足之处,但这是举世公认最好最公平公正的法律原则。因这一原则极大化的缩小了冤狱出现的可能,因此除了一些封建极权的国家之外(像封建帝制之下,皇帝说你有罪就有罪),基本上所有的文明国家,在审判刑事案件时,都会引用这一原则。

而至于深入探讨朱玉叶案的审讯过程,恕小弟当下并不能够。因现在还绝对不是探讨判决的时候。毕竟法官的书面判词还没有出炉(通常在决定上诉后两个星期之内会出炉,到时公众都可通过网站下载),没有判决在手,又如何探讨其判决?

有人说可以通过现有的资讯啊!那就更不应该了。通过报章或其他管道所获得关于此案的只言片语,别说根本不足以完整甚或是简单的解析整个法律的判罚,况且,没有法官所写的书面判词,又如何法断定这些“只言片语”准确与否?

所以,若要回答诸如“到底有什么关键证据出了问题?”、“检控官有没有对其进行弥补?”、“而辩方又是如何挑起该疑点的?”等等的问题,都必须等到完整的书面判词出炉后才可知晓。任何在当下想要解析这一案件的举动,都是非常不应该及不合理的。

47 评论 Comments:

Anonymous said...

洪大状,beyond reasonable doubt原则是这样的吗? 我看它至少得有存在符合这种表面证据的可能情况, 否则那只是假设而已, 因为再完美的证据链都能提出任何合理疑點, 你同意吗?

有律师说,检控官没用强奸罪起诉被告,因为无法证明死者是否自愿跟被告进行性行为. 这个论点可以成立,前提是有证据证明死者跟被告是情侣之类的, 那么自愿跟被告性交才能成立, 否则的话,那跟小孩斗嘴有什么分别?

很奇怪,现实中的律师在法庭是不是只要在庭上信口开河,怀疑这个,怀疑那个,就可以唬到法官? 因为根据我看法律剧的经验,如果有律师在庭上胡乱推理,早被法官警告了!

Anonymous said...

My question is why now? Why the suspect ran off for 6 long years and came back just after the election when BN regained the power. It seems that the suspect is confident about his case under the ruling of BN. I smell something fishy, do you?

I wonder if I could further analyses the case here? Please let me know if I have the honor to do so. Because I sense that this case has a lot to do with politics.

No, our judiciary system is as rotten as it normally does. Whatever rubbish that we adopted from Britain should be abandoned long long time ago. Say if somebody bribes some cops to temper the evidence, will this set the evil free? And how difficult could it be for anybody to commit bribery in the land of Boleh? Think about it.

Anonymous said...

Just ask yourself the followings;

1. why did the suspect manage to escape? Who was involved? And why?

2. why the suspect chose to come back now when he doesn't have to?

3. who persuaded the suspect to come back to face the trial? Remember nothing has been changed in terms of evidences and charges including the rotten government.

After asking yourself with the above (or maybe more) questions, try to conduct a coffee shop parliament and see if any of you could come up with something new.

All I want to say, I am completely pissed off by the people in this country. Actually the government isn't rotten anymore, it's beyond than rotten, it's absolutely poisonous now.

You see the idiocy index of a certain country is completely depending on how corrupt its government is. Meaning, it's a vast majority of idiots within the country that support such an useless and corrupt regime. If they aren't stupid, they couldn't be deceived.

Therefore judging from the nonsense of the government which already happened for decades and some more down the road, it tells how many of idiots that are breathing the air in this nation. So people either you move your ass else where and never come back, or educate these idiots otherwise be prepared to die of heart attack. THE END.

Ang Woei Shang said...

Dear Anonymous,

sorry, just saw the reply. Unfortunately, your question is not valid at all. I was like you before as i thought the OKT ran away to Australia for 6 years. If this is true, then it will be a very good circumstantial evidence that the OKT was guilty. But the fact is (after i talk to the OKT lawyer on Facebok, as I'm very angry for the verdict too), I was informed by the lawyer that OKT did not run away at all, in fact, he fly to Australia after all the investigation done (he has submitted his dna and recorded all his statement), and he went to Australia because he has a permanent house there. The police do not request him to come back at all,so did he run away? This submission accepted by the judge. He finally come back, because he is going to marry here. And he came back before the election, not like what you "thoughtc. Understand now? This is why i insisted to comment the verdict after the written judgment is out. And not by "I thought" only, that is totally unreasonable and unacceptable.

Ang Woei Shang said...

My advise is: read carefully my article and think reasonably. The Court is not judge by presumption, as what i had mentioned in my article.

Again, sorry for my late reply. Was very busy last few weeks.

Ang Woei Shang said...

无名,

你又如何知晓辩护律师是信口开河?又如何知道法官是乱乱接收辩护律师的说辞乱乱判?如果你知道的话,请告诉我,我完全没有任何概念,因为我没有出席聆讯,而书面判词也还没有出,所以我很好奇你是如何得出,因为我也迫不及待想知道下判原因!所以你有什么特别管道知道,请告诉我,谢谢。

Ang Woei Shang said...

I am totally agree with you that our country is now rotten to its roots. But you cannot reach this conclusion by the decision of this case. If you are hardworking enough to do research, you will find out that many high profile criminal cases of other countries, the Suspects simply get their hands off due to this "beyond reasonable doubt" system. We did not invent this system, this system is implemented by almost all the country in this world.

Anonymous said...

We did not invent this system, this system is implemented by almost all the country in this world.

Ang sorry for the late reply too, thought you won't respond. The fact is laws and regulations are created by men to maintain justice, therefore it's our duty to rectify it. Now that we know this is nonsense and such rules don't work at all. Why do we still adopting it?

Another thing is, so he submitted the dna and his sperm was found in the victims body, tell me could he be charged as murdered? And why didn't the police do that? Base on what should we believe what the suspect said?

This case is highly suspicious, how can you believe what the cops or the lawyers told you. Why can't you think deeper.

Also, what about the other sperms that found in the dead body, could it be gang rape and who were involved? Now you tell me what's wrong with the system. Obviously somebody is getting off the hook just because the system is stupid, the government is corrupt, and the people have no power to make changes.

Can you tell me in any murder case, the suspect involved can go else where?

Anonymous said...

In a short "beyond reasonable doubt" is to facilitate big shot and people with high power. Do you understand this is no justice. What we practice here is entirely stupid.

Give you an example, say you suffered from food poisoning after proven it was caused by the food you bought from a world renowned fast food restaurant. And you want to sue the company. So you pay say 5 or maybe 10k to a lawyer to nail their ass. And guess what? All the big company has to do is to counter offer your lawyer but never you. They may be paying slightly higher than your offer to your lawyer and your case will end up like Teoh Beng Hock ... meaning it's totally pissed off, endless and brainless as well.

Our entire judiciary is based on trust. In a short, justice will only prevail when ... the cops, jury and judges are clean and "Hard working". Please don't be naive, I was totally shocked that you bought all the nonsense that the lawyer of the suspect told you. Please think wisely, don't destroy your credibility over night unless you have decided to join MCA or Gerakan.

Anonymous said...

Ang please read this http://botakray.blogspot.com/2013/07/blog-post_15.html

He is not a lawyer and he can produce much more better comments than you.

Seriously, I hate to offend you but really want to ask how much did the BN pay you to help them clean up the mess?

Ang Woei Shang said...

Hei hei hei, read carefully please, since when i said i believed in what defence lawyer said? I just sharing what he said what happened in court, and i keep emphasizing that the written judgment is not yet out, so nobody except the dpp, defence lawyer, the judge, the suspect and whowever followed the whole trial know what happened in court, so again, i want to ask you, how you know the defence got no point? how you know judge was not impartial? police did not do a good job? dpp was minum kopi?? Don't speculate, don't presume, talk based on the facts please. this is why i dont comment the trial, the decision until the judgment is out!

and, you said this system is corrupted, no good. but the facts are almost all counrties are using these system, if you think it's no good, can you suggest a better one? and i did mention earlier, if you did some research, you will find many high profile cases, the suspect clean their hands off because this beyond reasonable doubt principles!

Ang Woei Shang said...

I read botak's article, frequently, that is the classic example of speculation, how did he know the dpp did not mention? speculation. how did he knew is "mo ming qi miao" if dont know what happended in court? again speculation. all the conclusion made are speculation without knowing the facts and yet you said good, haha, i have nothing to say.

I too dont agree and angry about the verdict (and i actually wrote in my article about this), but dont speculate anything before you dont know what happened at all. Talk based on facts, not what you "thought" what you "presume". This is simple.

Ang Woei Shang said...

Anyway, seems like you think i'm defending the suspect. That's why i keep mentioned that you need to read carefully and think before comment (no offence and with due respect). What I wrote was to explain our system and pointed out that the written judgment is not yet out and most (or all) of the commentators did not know the facts or the case and what happened in court at all. So how can you comment? That's why all sort of emotional argument and comments come out. When the judgment is out, then we can see clearly whether the dpp, police, io and judge were corrupted or not doing job properly or not. That's all.

And your question, why did court believe the suspect, why sperm in deceased body but charged murder etc etc, my answer to all these questions is simple, i dont know, and i mentioned this earlier (many time actually) simply because i'm not in the court and dont know what happened. So wait till the judgment is out, then after i read it i might be able to answer your question. Clear? See, I'm repeating last few paragraph of my article here, sigh.

不是Anonymous said...

“因为根据我看法律剧的经验,如果有律师在庭上胡乱推理,早被法官警告了!”

看了这句话,我忍不住想:“因为根据我看警匪片的经验,如果有不具名的匪徒向成龙挑战,早被一拳打倒了!”

Anonymous said...

Oh come on Ang, just read your previous comments, you said you spoke to the lawyer of the rapist and he told you he didn't ran off. He explained everything before leaving for Australia. AND YOU BOUGHT IT?

My question is you didn't even question why a person who is still under trail will get to move his ass else where. But hey, look at the couple who posted Bak Kut Teh picture on ramadan, they aren't treated the same and sent to prison. Why sort of beyond reasonable doubt are you talking about. IT'S PURE MANIPULATION BY EVILS. I read your posts and clearly you didn't even mention the evil deeds.

I am no lawyer but I know it's so easy for cops to frame anybody or help anybody to off the hook. Say a cop stops you and he slips in a small beg of heroin into your pocket before arresting you. Now tell me, how are you going to argue that?


All I want to say is simple, in our country we don't get to say anything but people in UMNO do. And you are trying to clean their ass by diverting the attention that it's the problem of the system. WOW, you are as rotten as those MCA gunner now. Just how much they paid you?

Of course the system is stupid and rotten and only fools will buy all these nonsense. Ang, you are such a naive idiot, ask yourself why didn't the bak kuet teh couple got loose with the rotten system if you compare their case with the murder case?

ASK YOURSELF WHY? It's because they are manipulating the rotten system. Get it idiot? And I hammer you because you don't even mention the word MANIPULATION. You are indeed trying hard to divert attention making them less guilty. YOU DUMB ASS.

Anonymous said...

One last word Ang, you can argue whatever you want. Just go and get several people to compare your comments with my charges on you. And ask for opinions.

I just can't stand either it's because you're naive or you were paid by them. Which one? USE YOUR BRAIN.

Anonymous said...

BTW, I almost forget again. Everybody listen up. Ang is blaming on the system not the people. Let me prove him wrong.

Say the rapist is from Pakatan Rakyat, somebody very important. Guess what will happen? If Ang is right then the same system will set whoever free regardless of who he is as long as the case is similar.

But after watching the dumb show from the Government on Teoh Beng Hock's case. We get to understand they want us to believe he committed suicide, he wrote the suicide note which was found after a year.

Now people, many of you and I are no lawyer. We don't understand laws much but we use common sense to make judgement. Tell me what are the implications from Teoh Beng Hock's case? Will you trust the same group of people who produced the most funny shows on earth especially on this murder case.

Now the suspect is off the hook. And we know she died of being murdered and raped. So who is responsible? This country is sick.

Many people point the finger at BN, but I say the biggest culprits of all time are the majority of DUMB and DUMBER who supported the Dark Blue for more than 50 years. You aren't dumb you can't be fooled. This is a true statement that last forever.

So Ang please honorably accept my charges against you for being the dumbest attorney of this country whereby everything is boleh particularly in corruption and manipulation.

Ang Woei Shang said...

come lah, i really doubt your ability of understanding, when did i said i bought it? i just give you an example to show that you all didnt know what happened in court, so do i, so i give you an example, simple like that you cant understand. what i argue for? to prove the guy innocent? if you think so, better go back to school, what i argue for is a fair comment, not comment based on what you thought. Never answer my qeustion on keep attacking, i can do that also, everybody can do that, but i wont, as simple as that.

Ang Woei Shang said...

my last reply also, really wasting time. if you want to live in what you thought, go ahead. if you think this system is corrupted, the immigrate to other planet, cos almost all countries are using this system. in malaysia, it's not the beyond reasonable doubt system's problem, it's our politician and political parties problem. and you mentioned Anwar case, if you read my previous article, you will know i critized the dpp for unfair and not impartical verdict, everything after i know the facts. so? keep you mind clear and dont let anger to close your eyes. the simple facts is nobody except those attended court knows what happened, so how can we comment something we dont know? just depends on hearsay? no logic at all. that's why i dont believe what defence lawyer said and waiting for judgment now, because after all, that is hearsay also. understand? i doubt so.

Ang Woei Shang said...

lastly, i would say you are the smartest ever anonymous in this world. happy? i dont mind you call me dumbest lawyer attorney etc, the facts speak for itself. and did i call you smartest and then you suddenly become smartest? hehe.

Anonymous said...

I must say let the readers decide whether it's true that you're intentionally misleading us in your article about the murder case just to make BN less guilty. Or... you are just an useful idiot. Because no matter how many times I read your stupid article, it can't ease the feelings that you have switched side. You may keep telling us how angry you are over the case and how just you always be. However, everything destroyed or should I say exposed in your latest article.

Let me make it clear again, in your article, you EXPLAINED why that ass hole moved his ass to Australia and it wasn't escape. WOW, say you killed somebody and you already EXPLAINED everything to the cops BUT NOT to the court and you may go anywhere you wish.

Is that something a lawyer would comprehend? I'm no lawyer and I know this shouldn't be a case.

And then you went on saying the suspect set free because of BEYOND (stupid) REASONABLE DOUBT. This much is true, but it is the evils that manipulated the system, purposely using the system to free evils. The same thing already happen in many cases.

I haven't brought up Anwar's case, please read carefully, you are a lawyer DON'T make such a vivid stupid mistake. It will scare your client ...if any.

I said if what you said is true, then supposing somebody important in Pakatan Rakyat did something that bastard did and with different people of sperms found on the dead body.

NOW ANSWER ME ANG, you are a lawyer and I'm not. Will these people get to fly to Australia after EXPLAINING to the cops the same way that bastard did?

I guess the argument is clear but not moot. You confused yourself or being paid. What Botak said is more appealing than yours. There is a conspiracy theory behind the motive of setting that bastard free. But you didn't mention a single word about manipulation nor conspiracy and you went on focusing on the dumbest beyond reasonable doubt.

That is dumb. REALLY REALLY dumb indeed.

Anonymous said...

By the way Ang, is this normally how you present your arguments in the court to make yourself silly?

Or only recently that your brain suddenly malfunctioning after accepting pay cheque from "them". Wow I guess it makes you laugh to the bank. Congratulations Ang. You are a rich man now.

Ang Woei Shang said...

aiz, really stupid la, said something more illogic now. one person before sentence, he is free, and he can go anyway. simple thing also dont know, and act like smartest person in the world, yes, in this case, i'm dumbest. k? case closed. haha.

wasted time to reply somebody which cant think properly at all. ish.

Ang Woei Shang said...

and, just a piece of advise to you, if you keep saying something shit like this, you will definitely make yourself end up in a suit for defamation. dont ever think you can hide before the name of anonymous, i can easily extract your ip by the visitor book of blogspot. anyway, i wont do this, the only thing you are right is to let reader to judge, so i let it go. i will invite more people to come here, to see how smart you are and how dumb am i, just to make you more happy. Regards, my dear anonymous.

Ang Woei Shang said...

anyplace instead of anyway, reply in hurry, so please excuse my typo or grammar mistakes, thank you.

Anonymous said...

Ang don't play IT with me, the ip you withdraw from blogspot is called dynamic ip. Do you know what it means? Google up. Maybe I explain more to you when you get smarter. Supposing you finally get the ip and manage to track me down can sue me. It is under civic act, I guess I am right about this one. So can I escape like the rapist with your so-called "beyond reasonable doubt"? Remember what you said, it's the system.

Come on, you published something entire silly and face the music. The internet is a place everything is transparent, you can't hide anything. Anything you and I said will stay for the whole world to read. So THINK twice you dumb ass.

Now come back to my question which you're avoiding all the time. That is if it was the political opponent of BN who committed the hideous act, can he or she book a ticket and flew off the country say for 6 years, came back and use your so-called "beyond reasonable doubt" to get off the hook?

I guess by now you should know the answer. (now only I start mentioning Anwar)

When they want you to believe anwar's sperm was staying inside Saiful's ass hole for 3 days. You should know this is not your so-called "beyond reasonable doubt" that the sucker got loose. It is the people who manipulate the stupid system in their favor.

You as a lawyer, talks like an idiot, worst than coffee shop assistant. And I don't see you apologize for what you did, instead you are threatening me with lawsuits.

SHAM ON YOU ANG. Go clean toilet ...

Anonymous said...

Sorry Ang I'd like to apologize for the typo. Actually I was honestly saying shame on you.

Ang Woei Shang said...

The smartest anonymous ever, please google and see whether the dynamic ip can actually find out your location or not before you leave any comment (another classic example, ha), thanks. And if you think you can hide behind your keyboard, go ahead, nothing to do with me if you end up with a libel suit. Maybe i'm too silly to give a piece of advise to person like you (and again, just like usual, the smartest guy in the world thought that I am threatening him with a lawsuit, can't even understand simple English). Ya, you are right that i am silly. Happy? I'm actually happy that you shame on me, this showed that we are on different level, for god sake!!!

Anonymous said...

One more thing Ang, if one day you are out of job, I can recommend you to clean toilets at the mall. I hope you don't sue me over my pure intention.

Also, there are permanent and dynamic IP. I always use the coffee shop internet. So in case you SOMEHOW, miraculously manage to track the coffee shop. Could you not to waste the money to sue them but use it on charity.

Ok, I know you have found yourself a "nice" source of income. And you certainly don't have to worry about money anymore, but I hope your conscience will wake up.

Anonymous said...

Ang please don't try to play smart ass again, the dynamic ip that you got will tell you which server and that's all. Because I've been through that.

OK please don't beat about bush with something you don't understand at all and focus on your famous "beyond reasonable doubt"

Assuming it was somebody outside BN who committed the crime, will he or she set free like that? Come on, you are a lawyer and you should be able to answer this one... unless you are a charlatan. Are you?

Ang Woei Shang said...

Thanks for your offer, but how can i find you when you are just a smartest anonymous? Genius!!

Oh, change again? from dynamic ip to coffee shop dynamic ip? if you think you use coffee shop or cc ip and there is no way to find you, think again or ask the mighty google (research some cases on it and you will know, oops, research? i doubt you know research)!! Please, please don't show how smart are you again, we have already knew it!

Anonymous said...

Ang most coffee shop use dynamic ip. Maybe you don't know that, but that's not the point. Let's don't spend too much time on something you don't know ok?

Please answer the question, you are a lawyer remember? You should know what to say.

Ang Woei Shang said...

most of the private house and office use dynamic ip too, ish, try to explain somemore, this will only make you more ugly-lah~!

Ang Woei Shang said...

and i think you better change it to overseas dynamic ip! ha. will not waste my time on you anymore, you can keep reply, and please remember that YOU ARE WHAT YOU WROTE. Don't understand? Google it!

Anonymous said...

YOU ARE WHAT YOU WROTE.

Speak for yourself. It sounds like confession. Yes it's true, you are what you wrote, and it brings people like me to depict you accurately.

You see Ang, calling you idiot isn't defamation. It's a precise description about what is happening inside your skull.

Yes I think I have wasted too much time on an idiot and should move on else where.

Bye,

Ang Woei Shang said...

Thank you, finally can finish this!

Seems like you agree with you are what you wrote, so who is the one keep writing idiot? Ooops!

Byebye, and have a nice day!

Anonymous said...

Ang before I go, I forgot to ask where did you graduate? Just curious and maybe I will advice the people I know not to study there so that they won't end up like you.

Anonymous said...

Also Ang do your normally behave so childish and you often shoot yourself in the foot at the court?

Well, maybe you enjoy, maybe you are what you wrote. But for sure you are ............STUPID

Ang Woei Shang said...

I graduated from University Malaya, as you wish. I will not hid myself like you, Ha, you are what you wrote, remember? Haha.

Anonymous said...

University Malaya?

No wonder you behave so, now everything is crystal clear. Ok Ang I forgive your idiocy because they made you like that. The other reason why your brain doesn't function normally could be due to genetic problems, not your fault.

I'm getting to believe that you are actually innocent. But then again you are dumb. That much is true.

One more thing, Ang, did you know that many of your friends and colleagues as well as enemies are reading this. Hopefully your brain will function better in your next post.

Ang Woei Shang said...

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Ang with the taunting. Want you to think both sides. You aren't the smartest. I've been following your blogs for years. I know what you got, but don't trust yourself too much.

And don't let us down. Keep it up. I purposely drag you into this to eliminate your ego.

I want you to responsible for what you wrote. Bye

Ang Woei Shang said...

Ha, so suddenly you are my loyal reader now? and you don't know i was a UM graduate? Don't try to cover a hole by digging another hole-lah, please. Be responsible for what you wrote, i will not sue you for libel, but you might not so lucky next time (ooops, how kind am i by giving you advise again although you can understand it before, maybe you will say i'm threatening you again?). By the way, thanks for reading, either for last 100 years or just this article, thanks.

Ang Woei Shang said...

and i didn't ever think i am the smartest. Don't put your words in my mouth, thank you. Just end this lah, no more digging holes please, although I really enjoy reply you, ha.

Anonymous said...

Ang look at our own country and tell me this isn't sick. We have very few people like you who could write in both languages. The younger generation will be our hope, so keep up the good work but think carefully before you publish. That's all I have to say and bye.





Kenzie Koo said...

To Anonymous,

Ang was right. No comment could be done without the written report. All we can do now is waiting, because nobody knows what happened in the court. Your assumption of corruption might be correct, but how if it is wrong? Still remember the rumour of Bentong eventually blacked out during the election? People "heard" from somebody and they thought that "might" be the case.

About the case, do you know that some even "speculate" that the suspect is only a scapegoat for son of another "higher rank" dato? And the problem is many people buy the idea that one would risk his own life to safe somebody else. Some even speculate the suspect might not be a son of dato. Guess, guess, guess and guess...... When 10 people talk about "speculation", it remains as speculation. But when 1000 people talk about the "speculation", it turns into a "fact". Weird enough.

Finally, I strongly against any black & white way of thinking. No buying a pro-public idea does not mean pro-BN. "Diverting attention" is a bad excuse.

Anonymous said...

大家不用吵了!
问题在于法律是否真的公义?
执法者是否严明!
法官是否公正!
曾经有人和我说过犯法是因为被捕!
没被捕不是犯人!
在法律之下人人平等!是一个笑话!
当警察局能不见证物,要结婚的人会因为一个所谓的协助调查而自杀或因为一个很小的贪污罪而自杀而没有人在这些事件里有受到惩罚
我们没财没关系的平民真的能靠法律保护?
我觉得大家还是求神拜佛在有生之年不要遇见有钱的坏人!

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